Skip to content

My first failure

February 11, 2010

After a bunch of minor corrections and added links, I came across what I thought was a mistake in the system. The details are probably not necessary, so feel free to skip the rest of this paragraph… San Francisco-based artist Thao Nguyen records and tours with her band, The Get Down Stay Down. While she has played solo and is clearly the frontwoman of the band, the band plays on both of her major releases: We Brave Bee Stings and All and Know Better Learn Faster. In MusicBrainz, the first former is listed under “Thao” and the latter listed under “Thao with the Get Down Stay Down.” However, depending on where you look—CD packaging, Amazon digital downloads, Wikipedia, or the release label’s site—the first album is billed as either “Thao” or “Thao with the Get Down Stay Down.” The information outside of MusicBrainz is inconsistent, so this is an instance where the MusicBrainz editors have to make a decision about how to resolve information.

I decided that even though the relationship “Thao with the Get Down Stay Down performed on this album” had been established, because it’s not a solo album it should be listed as a Thao with the Get Down Stay Down release. Apparently I am not the first person to try this, and editor BrianG voted my edit down immediately. MusicBrainz allows you to make a note justifying your edit, and so I did. Editors are also able to make notes when voting on an edit, and so BrianG did. Here’s the exchange:

Jess Hemerly: 2010-01-28 00:25:27 UTC “We Brave Bee Stings and All” is also billed as a Thao w/the Get Down Stay Down album.

BrianG: 2010-01-28 21:03:43 UTC the album was released as a Thao album and is under Thao. Thao w/the Get Down Stay Down performed Bee Stings.

Jess Hemerly: 2010-01-28 23:15:16 UTC Amazon.com files the downloadable version under Thao with the Get Down Stay Down, not just Thao (http://www.amazon.com/We-Brave-Bee-Stings-All/dp…); the Wikipedia entry for Thao with the Get Down Stay Down lists “We Brave Bee Stings” under the discography for the band (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thao_with_the_Get_D…). It has been billed as both in various reviews, so I believe it’s appropriate to include it as a Thao with the Get Down Stay Down release, especially since they didn’t just performed Bee Stings, they performed every song on the album. People may prefer to have it cataloged as Thao with the Get Down Stay down for these reasons.

BrianG: 2010-01-29 02:36:45 UTC this has already been tried a bunch of times. i have photos of the unopened cd and the stickers all say Thao. It’s already in MB correctly. if you prefer to have it cataloged as Thao with the Get Down Stay down than edit your tags by hand.

Jess Hemerly: 2010-01-29 19:22:46 UTC I also have the album (unwrapped so I could listen to it), and I have interviewed her a number of times. I’m sorry to have offended, I’m just learning the way things work around here. I am confused about other releases though, if this is the rule. If you look at the Kill Rock Stars site (http://www.buyolympia.com/krsnew/Item=KRS500), Know Better Learn Faster is listed there as a Thao album, not as a Thao with the Get Down Stay Down album, yet it’s in MB as a band release, not just Thao’s. Why the difference for that album? And the single “Swimming Pools,” which was also a track on We Brave Bee Stings and All, is in MB as a single under Thao with the Get Down Stay Down, not just Thao.

BrianG never responded to that last ditch effort to justify my change, and the edit failed today.

This interaction is the kind of thing that could deter contributors from participating, assuming they haven’t developed the thick skins one generally develops spending a lot of time socializing online (and I don’t mean Facebook). People are taking the data very seriously. I found his communication to be terse and a bit chest-puffy (“I have a picture of the unwrapped CD…”), which prompted me to respond in kind. This brings up the issue of authority control. Why is his opinion more authoritative than mine? Because he’s been around longer and has “seen this before”? Because he has a picture of the album? I kept the time stamps in the quoted material to show the delays in correspondence. How would this conversation have gone if he and I were in the same room, or even over chat?

Advertisements
No comments yet

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: